TWICE BLESSED CHILD?

[vandergraafk]

In the Charmed Cafe, a debate broke out over the gender of Piper's first born. In Morality Bites, we were told that it would be a girl: Prudence Melinda. Through Season 5, as the day of birth came ever closer, we were told repeatedly it would be a girl. Then, suddenly, in the Day the Magic Died, we discover that "It's a boy!" Why? This relatively minor issue soon gave way to a larger issue, namely, why Wyatt was so powerful, more powerful than Chris or even Prudence Melinda. Below you will find

Laiste, agreeing with Elder, suggested the following:

I agree, Elder that it is hard to believe that the events of Morality Bites make it hard to accept that something as simple as the sex of Piper and Leos child could change. But I have two comments to make about that. The first is, if you were to draw two straight lines at an angle (even a slight angle) from the point of the events of Morality Bites, obviously the further you go the further apart those two lines become. In that sense i can accept the difference in futures.

My big problem stems from the fact that Wyatt was the subject of at least one prophecy. Are we to accept that in the future of Morality Bites Pipers daughter was actually the twice blessed child? How come Wyatt is the only twice blessed child anyway, considering that Paige and Chris (at least!) were also the offspring of witches and whitelighters? (Just out of curiosity, do half whitelighters have a longer lifespan???) If Wyatt was REALLY the child of those prophecies then his existence should have been one of those asymetrical events that will happen no matter what changes.

This is one of those things that totally screws around with the Charmed Universe. They use time travle alot in Charmed, therefore they should have some kind of logic to those events which change the time continum. I think that no matter how divergent the futures from the point of "morality bites" Wyatts sex should not have changed BECAUSE he was prophecised. Imagining a number line, with Morality Bites as the 0 point- Wyatt was prophecied at point -100; his existence/ sex should not be different at point 20 even with the lessons the sister learn in that lesson. Surely the only reason the Elders interfered at all was because the Charmed Ones were diverging from the path in which the prophecied child (who was foreseen by a GOOD person) would be born. At least as far as i can tell time travel mechanics anyway.

Maracev disputed one of laiste's points as follows:

My big problem stems from the fact that Wyatt was the subject of at least one prophecy. Are we to accept that in the future of Morality Bites Pipers daughter was actually the twice blessed child? How come Wyatt is the only twice blessed child anyway, considering that Paige and Chris (at least!) were also the offspring of witches and whitelighters? (Just out of curiosity, do half whitelighters have a longer lifespan???) If Wyatt was REALLY the child of those prophecies then his existence should have been one of those asymetrical events that will happen no matter what changes.

I don't think Wyatt's status as twice blessed has anything to do with him being the son of a whitelighter and a witch. It's part of it, he is twiced blessed because of it, but it's not what made him as powerful as he was.

Addressing the same quote, whitelightertony opined:

My big problem stems from the fact that Wyatt was the subject of at least one prophecy. Are we to accept that in the future of Morality Bites Pipers daughter was actually the twice blessed child? How come Wyatt is the only twice blessed child anyway, considering that Paige and Chris (at least!) were also the offspring of witches and whitelighters? (Just out of curiosity, do half whitelighters have a longer lifespan???) If Wyatt was REALLY the child of those prophecies then his existence should have been one of those asymetrical events that will happen no matter what changes.



Part of what made Wyatt "twice-blessed" was that he was born during the Wiccan Festival of Lights...and we can probably assume that Melinda from "Morality Bites" wasn't.

Quizzically, laiste shot back:


How does Wyatt's birth during the wiccan festival of lights make him twice blessed? And what exactly did make him so much more powerful than both Chris and Paige for that matter?

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Vandergraafk smugly suggested the following:

Which came first: the Day the Magic Died, which talked about the prophecy, or the story arc about the birth of a baby girl? Chronologically, of course, the story arc did. However, story arcs can be defined in terms of the expected outcome. It might give the writing crew of Charmed too much credit to say they planned it that way. In other words, the baby shall be born on a magical day, one that had been prophesied for hundreds of years (according to the sorcerer). Everything else is mere detail if the writers started with that premise. Did they? Who knows?

May I just throw in the point that did the fact that the writers selected a male gender for Pheobe's demonic offspring creep into their minds as they hatched Piper's baby? Or, did the writers simply wish to throw us a curve ball? It did give rise (no pun intended) to the extremities joke in the Day the Magic Died. Also, isn't it just marvelous that the writers of a female empowering show choose a male offspring who, lest he be protected, will turn evil? Isn't that a commentary on the threat posed to women by all males? Hmmm!

Whitelightertony responded to vdggk's comment and continued with the preceding analysis:

vandergraafk, I think the supposition of males being inherently irresponsible with magic was simply the bigotry of Grams (rearing its ugly head in "Necromancing the Stone"). Obviously, none of the Charmed Ones shared their grandmother's knee-jerk negative view of baby Wyatt.

We saw on at least two occasions ("Imaginary Friends" and "Forever Charmed") that Future Wyatt turns out good. I don't find it to be male-bashing at all.


Quote:How does Wyatt's birth during the wiccan festival of lights make him twice blessed?



Because his birth ushered in the return of magic to the world. Can every magical baby make such a claim?


Quote:And what exactly did make him so much more powerful than both Chris and Paige for that matter?



Chris was the middle child, so Wyatt, being the oldest, was already more powerful than him. Also, the fact that Chris was conceived on the ghostly plane could have something to do with why Chris came into his powers much later than Wyatt.

Paige was the youngest born of her siblings, and her powers were bound from birth. Sure, she had plenty of whitelighter powers, but obviously her witch powers grew in very slowly (and still had yet to be fully realized by the time the series ended). If Prue had lived on, she probably would have been able to do much more powerful things with her witch side than Paige would have.

Vandergraafk acknowledged whitelightertony's points and added the following:

All points are well taken. I would suggest, however, that although Wyatt was the first born child of a witch and, more importantly, birthed during the Wiccan festival of lights during a highly critical time, one must note that Wyatt is ONLY the offspring of a whitelighter and a witch. Chris is the magical offspring of an Elder and a witch. Whether that carries any impact I cannot say. Spiritkas has elsewhere noted that this makes Chris a nephilium. He may not be as powerful as Wyatt, but Chris is not just a second born slacker. He packs a powerful punch. Now, Melinda, on the other hand, is merely the offspring of a mortal and a Charmed One, a powerful witch perhaps, but not a nephilium or a magical entity on the par of Wyatt.

[vandergraafk]

Elder chimed in with the following:

one must note that Wyatt is ONLY the offspring of a whitelighter and a witch. Chris is the magical offspring of an Elder and a witch. Melinda, on the other hand, is merely the offspring of a mortal and a Charmed One, a powerful witch perhaps, but not a nephilium or a magical entity on the par of Wyatt.



Melinda poses a bit of a toughie:
The original three charmed ones were the offspring of a mortal and a witch and they are considered to be the most powerful witches ever (at least that's how they're written in the scripts).
If you take what many people consider to be the most powerful of the most powerful (Piper) then Melinda may have some heavy-duty stuff to show as well



one must note that Wyatt is ONLY the offspring of a whitelighter and a witch. Chris is the magical offspring of an Elder and a witch. Melinda, on the other hand, is merely the offspring of a mortal and a Charmed One, a powerful witch perhaps, but not a nephilium or a magical entity on the par of Wyatt.



Melinda poses a bit of a toughie:
The original three charmed ones were the offspring of a mortal and a witch and they are considered to be the most powerful witches ever (at least that's how they're written in the scripts).
If you take what many people consider to be the most powerful of the most powerful (Piper) then Melinda may have some heavy-duty stuff to show as well.

This prompted a lengthy reply from whitelightertony:

All points are well taken. I would suggest, however, that although Wyatt was the first born child of a witch and, more importantly, birthed during the Wiccan festival of lights during a highly critical time, one must note that Wyatt is ONLY the offspring of a whitelighter and a witch. Chris is the magical offspring of an Elder and a witch.



Yes, but Chris isn't "twice-blessed." I think it's the combination of Wyatt being born on the Wiccan Festival of Lights, plus the Charmed magic that was passed onto him from Piper, which made Wyatt "twice-blessed."


Quote:Whether that carries any impact I cannot say. Spiritkas has elsewhere noted that this makes Chris a nephilium. He may not be as powerful as Wyatt, but Chris is not just a second born slacker. He packs a powerful punch.



I agree that Chris is extremely powerful, especially with Leo's Elder blood coursing through his veins. Yes, Chris has Charmed magic in him, just like his older brother. But remember, when Chris was conceived, Leo also had darklighter arrow poison going through his bloodstream (slowly killing him). Also, on the plane Chris was conceived on, both Piper and Leo were powerless at the time...so although Chris inherited their genetics, his parents' powerless status at the time of his conception may have resulted in Fetus Chris and Baby Chris taking longer than Wyatt to manifest their powers. Remember that Chris didn't display any powers from inside the womb, and it took him approximately 18 months to use telekinesis ("TK orbing") for the first time.


Quote:Now, Melinda, on the other hand, is merely the offspring of a mortal and a Charmed One, a powerful witch perhaps, but not a nephilium or a magical entity on the par of Wyatt.



Melinda is certainly the least powerful of the three, but despite not inheriting any whitelighter powers, Melinda still has Charmed magic (from Piper) in her blood. At the very least, I wouldn't be surprised if Melinda can freeze, and maybe even develop some of the other witch powers that Piper could be yet to gain advancements for in Piper's lifetime.

[vandergraafk]

Whitelightertony's intersting hypothesis prompted this speculation from vandergraafk:

That's quite an interesting take on the inability of Chris to protect himself from the womb and the relative delay evinced in the exercise of his telekinetic powers. There are two ways to view that anomaly. Since Wyatt is "twice-blessed" perhaps his abilities from the womb were anomalous. Chris's delayed powers was a normal state of affairs. Reasonable, but perhaps not correct. In That 70's Episode, fetal Phoebe exhibits premonition powers from the womb. Patty and the girls, including an unborn Phoebe, are powerful enough to send the Charmed Ones back to the future when Grams and Patty alone could not accomplish this feat. One might argue that the Charmed Ones, too, were anomalous. Thus, only anomalous witches exhibit powers from the womb.

Or, one could argue as whitelightertony just did that during conception darklighter poison inhibited the automatic transferrability of witch/whitelighter DNA? to the forming fetus. Eventually, the poison was overcome as Chris developed antibodies. Once defeated, the darklighter poison, perhaps akin to interferon, could no longer prevent the genetic development of Chris whitelighter/witch DNA? Gosh, I wish I knew more about the triple? helix nature of magical DNA!

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