Post by vandergraafk on Jul 5, 2008 14:43:09 GMT -5
As if the debate on Piper's daughter is bad enough, just who are Paige's daughters? They are never named in the series finale, Forever Charmed, though we do know that her son is named Henry Jr. Whether he is Henry Mitchell, Jr. or Henry Matthews Mitchell, Jr. could be questioned, but use of junior suggests that his name is Henry Mitchell, Jr. In the event, who are those girls?
In the Charmed Cafe, I threw whitelightertony a slo-pitch softball (since I knew he had already named them). See whitelightertony's extensive Charmed family tree in Welcome to Charmedverse above. Whitelightertony took the easy toss and hit back with this:
"I subscribe to the theory that Paige named her daughters Pandora and Posie.
They can both orb, levitate, glamour, sense, and heal.
Pandora develops the whitelighter power of thermokinesis (the ability to heat things), and the witch power of combustion (which manifests itself in exploding orbs).
Posie develops the whitelighter power of bulbokinesis (the ability to produce bubbles), and the witch power of temporal stasis (which manifests itself in frozen orbs).
Pandora later takes over for Leo as the new Headmatron of Magic School."
Rather offhandedly I chided whitelightertony by noting the following:
"Who would name their daughter Pandora? Besides, do you really think Paige is into that whole P thing?"
Melinda was quick to hit back with the following:
"Apparently she must have been, but I do believe Posie is the granddaughter of Paige and not daughter. It was stated in one of the official books "The warren witches" that one daughter was named Pandora (the other daughter's name wasn't mentioned) and it was stated that Paige had a granddaughter named Posie."
Oh boy, this called for research. After finding out that the book in question was indeed the anthology, The Warren Witches, I presented my findings"
"Boy, this brings back memories. Yes, it is the collection of short stories published under the title "The Warren Witches". The story you are referring to, "Family History", was written by Laura J. Burns. The relevant passage reads as follows:
"Paige had to force her jaws to stay closed. Everything that Posie said made her more curious. So her daughter was a strong witch, and she knew about the power of three, and she was teaching her own child the craft---
'What's her name?' Paige blurted out. 'Your mom?'
'Pandora,' Posie said.
Piper snorted, and Paige felt a blush creep up her cheeks. She was going to name her daughter Pandora? That was just asking for trouble.
'But she calls herself Dora,' Posie added.
'Can we stop talking about the future, please?' Leo begged."
At least this description of Paige correctly depicted Paige as introspective enough to question why she would name her own daughter Pandora. Yet, Paige does it nevertheless. Hmmm.
To answer your questions, Melinda. First, since this collection was published in 2005 - and the story was probably written in 2004, there is quite a time gap between its creation and the filming of Forever Charmed. Second, there is no reason to assume that Mr. Kern was even aware of this story and the names given to Paige's offspring. Third, who was the father? Richard? That might explain why Pandora was a powerful witch, but alas Richard and Paige ended as Richard tread ever more preciptously along the path of warlockdom. Stripping his powers and severing her relationship to Richard was the only solution. Fourth, as the canonistas will surely browbeat you heavily with, the books are not part of the Charmed canon. (My own view is more catholic, but not akin to the Catholicism imposed by the canonistas.) Yes, I am aware that Diane Gallagher has a story in this fine collection, and she was integral to Charmed. Paul Ruditis has a story therein as well, and both he and Ms. Gallagher are responsible for editing both volumes of the the Book of Three.
My point remains: as well as I know Paige - I claim to channel her all of the time (yeah, right vandergraafk. and what drugs are you taking?), Paige would never name her daughter Pandora. And, she wouldn't be hung up with the whole P thing. Now, the J thing: Julie, Jamie, Jenny or Jo. That sly twist of humor is entirely within Paige's mindset. Henry wouldn't have a clue!
The essence of Paige can be found in I Dream of Phoebe when she asks a genial Phoebe whether she shouldn't rather be attending to Major Nelson. Paige would never do this to her own daughter!"
For those of you still curious, in my work in progress "Desperate Measures", I named Paige's daughters Patricia and Millicent in honor of her two mothers: Patty, her birth mother and Millicent, the unnamed adopted mother of Paige.
In the Charmed Cafe, I threw whitelightertony a slo-pitch softball (since I knew he had already named them). See whitelightertony's extensive Charmed family tree in Welcome to Charmedverse above. Whitelightertony took the easy toss and hit back with this:
"I subscribe to the theory that Paige named her daughters Pandora and Posie.
They can both orb, levitate, glamour, sense, and heal.
Pandora develops the whitelighter power of thermokinesis (the ability to heat things), and the witch power of combustion (which manifests itself in exploding orbs).
Posie develops the whitelighter power of bulbokinesis (the ability to produce bubbles), and the witch power of temporal stasis (which manifests itself in frozen orbs).
Pandora later takes over for Leo as the new Headmatron of Magic School."
Rather offhandedly I chided whitelightertony by noting the following:
"Who would name their daughter Pandora? Besides, do you really think Paige is into that whole P thing?"
Melinda was quick to hit back with the following:
"Apparently she must have been, but I do believe Posie is the granddaughter of Paige and not daughter. It was stated in one of the official books "The warren witches" that one daughter was named Pandora (the other daughter's name wasn't mentioned) and it was stated that Paige had a granddaughter named Posie."
Oh boy, this called for research. After finding out that the book in question was indeed the anthology, The Warren Witches, I presented my findings"
"Boy, this brings back memories. Yes, it is the collection of short stories published under the title "The Warren Witches". The story you are referring to, "Family History", was written by Laura J. Burns. The relevant passage reads as follows:
"Paige had to force her jaws to stay closed. Everything that Posie said made her more curious. So her daughter was a strong witch, and she knew about the power of three, and she was teaching her own child the craft---
'What's her name?' Paige blurted out. 'Your mom?'
'Pandora,' Posie said.
Piper snorted, and Paige felt a blush creep up her cheeks. She was going to name her daughter Pandora? That was just asking for trouble.
'But she calls herself Dora,' Posie added.
'Can we stop talking about the future, please?' Leo begged."
At least this description of Paige correctly depicted Paige as introspective enough to question why she would name her own daughter Pandora. Yet, Paige does it nevertheless. Hmmm.
To answer your questions, Melinda. First, since this collection was published in 2005 - and the story was probably written in 2004, there is quite a time gap between its creation and the filming of Forever Charmed. Second, there is no reason to assume that Mr. Kern was even aware of this story and the names given to Paige's offspring. Third, who was the father? Richard? That might explain why Pandora was a powerful witch, but alas Richard and Paige ended as Richard tread ever more preciptously along the path of warlockdom. Stripping his powers and severing her relationship to Richard was the only solution. Fourth, as the canonistas will surely browbeat you heavily with, the books are not part of the Charmed canon. (My own view is more catholic, but not akin to the Catholicism imposed by the canonistas.) Yes, I am aware that Diane Gallagher has a story in this fine collection, and she was integral to Charmed. Paul Ruditis has a story therein as well, and both he and Ms. Gallagher are responsible for editing both volumes of the the Book of Three.
My point remains: as well as I know Paige - I claim to channel her all of the time (yeah, right vandergraafk. and what drugs are you taking?), Paige would never name her daughter Pandora. And, she wouldn't be hung up with the whole P thing. Now, the J thing: Julie, Jamie, Jenny or Jo. That sly twist of humor is entirely within Paige's mindset. Henry wouldn't have a clue!
The essence of Paige can be found in I Dream of Phoebe when she asks a genial Phoebe whether she shouldn't rather be attending to Major Nelson. Paige would never do this to her own daughter!"
For those of you still curious, in my work in progress "Desperate Measures", I named Paige's daughters Patricia and Millicent in honor of her two mothers: Patty, her birth mother and Millicent, the unnamed adopted mother of Paige.