Post by vandergraafk on Feb 1, 2007 18:55:39 GMT -5
Was the relationship between Phoebe and Cole simply one big lie, one that lasted two and one-half seasons? Was Cole a liar, especially when he failed to reveal that the Source had taken possession of him in Charmed and Dangerous? Charmed fans beware: some of us are tempted to be very judgemental!
Red Owl gets our discussion started when she commented to another contributor her views in the Charmed Cafe:
If another character had been lying to Phoebe or any of her sisters, many fans would be outraged. But these same fans seem to think that because Phoebe, Paige and Piper are the "Charmed Ones", they have every right to maintain a relationship through lies. And I find that rather hypocritical.
Cole lied to Phoebe.
Numerous times.
Yet, we're not outraged. In fact, we positively adore Cole - most of the Charmed population at least.
I know this is not about Cole, but he - himself - maintained a relationship with lies. He lied about being Belthazor, he made Phoebe lie about him being dead, he lied about being the Source, and he...
Practically their whole relationship was built over lies.
(Not that Cole could have told Phoebe that he was the Source, really...just for demonstration, again. I'm not bashing your "blessed" Cole.)
Red Owl
That comment provoked an instant response:
he made Phoebe lie about him being dead
He didn't make Phoebe lie about him being dead. Phoebe made that decision all on her own, she came up with the whole plan.
This compelled Red Owl to revise her position, if ever so slightly:
Well, sure.
But that doesn't mean he didn't make Phoebe deliberately lie to protect him.
Ljones was not satisfied with that response and offered this point of view:
I know this is not about Cole, but he - himself - maintained a relationship with lies. He lied about being Belthazor, he made Phoebe lie about him being dead, he lied about being the Source, and he...
Practically their whole relationship was built over lies.
You might as well say the same thing about Piper's relationship with Leo. Because the . . . same . . . thing . . . happened. Piper got involved with Leo. She refrained from telling him that she was a witch and made an effort to keep it a secret. At the same time, Leo pretended that he didn't know that Piper was a witch, when actually he did. Piper didn't learn the truth about Leo until near the end of Season 1.
In Phoebe and Cole's case - Phoebe got involved with Cole. She refrained from telling him that she was a witch and made an effort to keep it a secret. At the same time, Cole pretended that he didn't know that Phoebe was a witch, when actually he did. Phoebe didn't learn the truth about Cole until the seventh episode of Season 3.
The only time Prue told Andy the truth about herself was when she cast that truth spell in early Season 1. . . which wore off after 24 hours, by the way. When the spell wore off, Andy forgot about everything that Prue told him. And she maintained her secret about the Charmed Ones, until Andy stumbled across the truth in late Season 1.
Dan never knew that Piper was a witch during most of Season 2 . . . until she was forced to tell him the truth in the season's final episode.
Patty never told Victor that she was a witch until after the wedding.
Of all the women in the family, Paige seemed to be the only one willing to tell the truth about herself whenever she got seriously involved with a guy . . . unless there was one she was never honest with.
Cole lied about being the Source, because the Source's spirit made it impossible for him to reveal the truth, considering the latter was in possession of Cole's body.
Red Owl gets our discussion started when she commented to another contributor her views in the Charmed Cafe:
If another character had been lying to Phoebe or any of her sisters, many fans would be outraged. But these same fans seem to think that because Phoebe, Paige and Piper are the "Charmed Ones", they have every right to maintain a relationship through lies. And I find that rather hypocritical.
Cole lied to Phoebe.
Numerous times.
Yet, we're not outraged. In fact, we positively adore Cole - most of the Charmed population at least.
I know this is not about Cole, but he - himself - maintained a relationship with lies. He lied about being Belthazor, he made Phoebe lie about him being dead, he lied about being the Source, and he...
Practically their whole relationship was built over lies.
(Not that Cole could have told Phoebe that he was the Source, really...just for demonstration, again. I'm not bashing your "blessed" Cole.)
Red Owl
That comment provoked an instant response:
he made Phoebe lie about him being dead
He didn't make Phoebe lie about him being dead. Phoebe made that decision all on her own, she came up with the whole plan.
This compelled Red Owl to revise her position, if ever so slightly:
Well, sure.
But that doesn't mean he didn't make Phoebe deliberately lie to protect him.
Ljones was not satisfied with that response and offered this point of view:
I know this is not about Cole, but he - himself - maintained a relationship with lies. He lied about being Belthazor, he made Phoebe lie about him being dead, he lied about being the Source, and he...
Practically their whole relationship was built over lies.
You might as well say the same thing about Piper's relationship with Leo. Because the . . . same . . . thing . . . happened. Piper got involved with Leo. She refrained from telling him that she was a witch and made an effort to keep it a secret. At the same time, Leo pretended that he didn't know that Piper was a witch, when actually he did. Piper didn't learn the truth about Leo until near the end of Season 1.
In Phoebe and Cole's case - Phoebe got involved with Cole. She refrained from telling him that she was a witch and made an effort to keep it a secret. At the same time, Cole pretended that he didn't know that Phoebe was a witch, when actually he did. Phoebe didn't learn the truth about Cole until the seventh episode of Season 3.
The only time Prue told Andy the truth about herself was when she cast that truth spell in early Season 1. . . which wore off after 24 hours, by the way. When the spell wore off, Andy forgot about everything that Prue told him. And she maintained her secret about the Charmed Ones, until Andy stumbled across the truth in late Season 1.
Dan never knew that Piper was a witch during most of Season 2 . . . until she was forced to tell him the truth in the season's final episode.
Patty never told Victor that she was a witch until after the wedding.
Of all the women in the family, Paige seemed to be the only one willing to tell the truth about herself whenever she got seriously involved with a guy . . . unless there was one she was never honest with.
Cole lied about being the Source, because the Source's spirit made it impossible for him to reveal the truth, considering the latter was in possession of Cole's body.